lst fly I learned to tie & fish while living in Missoula. I have used them in several states and it has never failed me. Funny story: One Feb I was fishing the Crooked River during a snow storm and my two partners and I were nymphing with very little success when I switched to a 16 renegade and caught several nice rainbows. The partners watched me for awhile and said we're leaving as it was crazy to to be fishing and catching with a dry fly in a snow storm. Just goes to show yah.