It was more like lost, due to my own fault, brand new, fished once, with Orvis bbs I titanium color reel and new rio gold line. black reel on tube Late for family commitment , left it on the trunk, in area of Reinholds Pa. searched eveywhere. ever see a grown man weep. moral of my story is when you are in a hurry an extra minute to scan the area you are in can pay off in a huge way. i just realized i posted in the wrong area! sorry folks