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    i seen at our fly shop nearby (bout an hour drive) while getting some streamer & scud hooks some slip on leader loops....they are made by cortland & was a florescent yellow green in colour......slide on the fly line kinda like a chinese finger trap toy & fasten on with a length of shrink tubing.......the pack of 4 was bout 4$ so i got 1 just to try out & they work great.....easy to put on too......i ruined the first leader loop tryin to put it on so i cut an angle on the tip of a fly line & the loop went on just fine.....even stayed on when i attached a 25lb weight to the end of it & tugged it around a little like i was fightin a fish (didnt do the test with the line on my rod).......

    had some by a different company 2 years ago but never would stay on the line, slipping off when ya hook a desent size fish......

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    They do work pretty good, but, I have had them come off. I think it was due to the shrink tubing bumping the rod tip and allowing it to slip a little each time until it finally came off. You might be wise to add one drop of super glue next to the shrink tubing on the loop side which will lock it on. I do not use them at all now. I use the Castwell Knot which has never failed and makes for a lot smaller connection which goes through the rod guides real well.

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    I have used those Cortland slip-ons before and found them to be so-so. Never had one come off but did not like the leader performance using them, especially with dries. Since I was originally taught a loop to loop connection, for the most part that continues today, only I use a few other methods ~ Nail knot, old timey Eagle Claw line-to-leader plastic connectors, making a loop at the end of the fly line and securing that loop by winding.

    On my trip to Alaska this past August, for the first time ever, had a healthy pink salmon (I think, that was what we had been catching), actually break my fly line just above the loop. I cannot ever remember a fish breaking the fly line, leaders where always the weak link. Was using about a five foot 12 lb mono leader looped to my special hand crafted fly line loop. Was not a new line, in fact really cannot recall when that particular line was put into service. What I did right there in the field was to tie a perfection loop in the end of the fly line, trimmed the excess close, and continue fishing. The particular rod I was using (a 9wt), has large rod guides so getting loop hung up was not a problem.




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    how do you make a loop at the end of a flyline just using the flyline itself ? any video or instructions of some sort on how to do it ?

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    Bugman, Most people who make a loop out of just their fly line use fly tying thread to wrap it together, then use something like epoxy to put a smooth and secure connection.
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    I've used a variety of connections, from nail knotting the leader directly to the fly line to nail knotting a short length of mono to the tip end of the fly line and then tying a perfection knot for a loop to loop connection to the leader as Joe describes to braided loops by Cortland and Rio.

    For the type of fishing I do, and the size of the fish I catch ( trout, 95% of which are under 18" ), I prefer the simplicity and convenience of braided loops, and I prefer the Rio braided loops over the Cortland. I've had a couple braided loops come off the fly line, but never with a fish on, and a couple wear out.

    If I were going after larger fish, I would go to a more secure connection as others have suggested.

    The link provided by Normand is much appreciated. When I do run out of braided loops, I will likely try one of the methods described there.
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    you can fold the fly line over and nail knot the two ends togther then i wrap it with flat waxed thread to smooth it over.
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    I have gone full circle and am now at a very simple solution. But first allow me to digress.
    In the beginning I used nail knots and even needle knots (same as the nail, but the leader goes up the center of the fly line first). I have coated them with epoxy, which is smooth and strong, but leads to a hinge point and crack in the line.
    I have used leader loops, but as mentioned by others they also cause a hinge and crack. They have another problem too. They retain water within the weave which sprays all over the place when false casting - not good when you are casting a dry fly on a calm pool.
    The #25 mono nail knot and perfection loop plan still has a nail knot involved - and has the extra perfection loop before the leader starts (the leader has a perfection loop (but a perfection loop at the butt of your leader is a good thing as we shall see).
    The Castwell Knot is an excellent solution - and is a variation of the Sheet Bend , where the Castwell Knot uses the tag of the Sheet Bend as the main line and the main line as the tag.
    What I do is put a Perfection Loop in the end of the leader and use a Double Sheet Bend to attach it to the line. It is really easy to change leaders if needed. It does not always slide through the guides though, so I just keep that in mind in determining leader length and the method of bringing the fish to hand.
    In the attached link the dark line represents the Perfection Loop on the leader and the light line represents the fly-line. It has held for 3-4 years on several set-ups for trout, bass and steelhead.
    http://www.troop7.org/Knots/SheetDouble.html

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    Gee, I guess all these fancy connections and knots, every one is using, sort of antiquates my system of 2 plates of 1/4 stainless steel, 4 stainless bolts of Rockwell hardness 20 and corresponding nuts and lock washers, huh!?!

    It not only, holds well, but with one false cast I can throw my entire fly line and 75% of my backing. Which, I admit, causes a wee bit of hassle on small creeks..............
    Last edited by flybinder; 01-16-2008 at 11:38 PM.
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